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Unspoken with Tim Phelps
Welcome back to another episode of Unspoken with Nick and Nick. We just scared Madden. Sorry, Madden. I didn't mean to scare you. Did you tinkle a little? No. Dang it. Next time. Almost. Welcome back. We back. We're stoked. We're stoked and psyched and stoked and excited and all the things. We have a new guest. His name is Tim. His name is Tim. He's super duper rad. Hi, Tim. Hello, everybody. I've been really excited to bring Tim on the show. Tim's so chill. He's like just totally laid back. Like I think he's the least nervous out of everybody we've had on. Tim and I are the, we're the brothers and Mindy is the mom to make sure that we stay in line. Yeah. So if you listen to a couple episodes ago, Sean and Mindy, Mindy and Tim and I, we work on the production team together at our church and we're awesome. Yeah. We frequently call ourselves the A team and or the only team. Right. Both work. I'd go with both. Yeah. You
SPEAKER_01:know, it's just the deal. It's just the deal. It's not a good day when we get scheduled separate from each other either.
SPEAKER_03:No. Well, in fairness, there's not that many people to do the production right now. So we do get scheduled pretty frequently outside of our group. Yeah. It's just no offense to anyone else. Everybody's awesome. We just have a great time. There's a good chemistry. Yeah. Yeah. You need chemistry. Yeah. Oh, I know who that was for. Sorry, man. Love you. But it's true. It's true. So take this, this setting here. He's cashing in
SPEAKER_01:another sleep token. Bingo.
SPEAKER_03:Sleep token. I freaking love sleep token. You want to go to a concert with me?
SPEAKER_01:I'll go.
SPEAKER_03:Okay. Tim's in. When? You heard it here first. When is it? September. September.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, yeah, I'm available that
SPEAKER_03:month. We're good. Dude, okay, okay. So I bought these. I have been a Sleep Token fan for a really long time. It's so funny because I feel like I have to talk about it all the time, but I don't. It's kind of like being in CrossFit. Now I have to talk about CrossFit. Or
SPEAKER_04:geese.
SPEAKER_03:Don't talk about the geese. I don't want to talk about the geese. The geese made me grumpy. I've been a Sleep Token fan for a long time, and I was on their list for a bunch of pre-saves and stuff like that, VIP listing. And I went and I got in line as we were on a road trip driving home. I told my wife, I was like, I'm going to buy these tickets because I haven't gotten a chance to see them. I've wanted to see them for a long time. Okay, sounds good. And I got in line. in the queue that they have set up on their website. And I get in, and I find the seats I want. And I was like, that's pretty expensive. I probably shouldn't. So I set my phone down. Then I pick it back up, and I was like, okay, I'm going to get them. And I'm still on there. And I turn to her, and I'm like, maybe I should. I probably should, right? Like, I probably should. And she's like, you're doing what I do. I talk myself out of everything. And she's like, yeah, exactly. She's like, just get the tickets. I don't care. And I was like, okay.
UNKNOWN:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:So I get him into the cart. I probably should I set the phone down and like ten minutes goes by and I was like I bought the tickets. He's like okay, I've been telling you to for 20 minutes. I was like, I know. I just really wrestled with this, okay? I really wanted them. I did it. I made it happen. Here we are. Secretly, they'd much rather have guys like us anyway that talk ourselves out of things and then we go back to it. But it is annoying too, though. I can understand because Katie will just go get it. Yeah. I think there's multiple layers to it. I just don't want to spend a lot of money. Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_01:So... Here's a question for you. I've got a friend that... He's in Sleep Token? For real? No.
SPEAKER_03:Is it
SPEAKER_01:Vessel? No, it's Four. His name is Four. Yeah, he goes by Ivy. Yeah. That's fantastic. That was great. He has a friend that he orders with. I don't know why the friend's involved, but that doesn't matter for this story. They order once a month on Amazon. They make the set policy once a month they order on Amazon. Really? And the primary reason why they do it is because they order a lot less when they do it that way. Oh, interesting.
SPEAKER_03:Okay. So there's like a money
SPEAKER_01:management
SPEAKER_03:move.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. Yeah. Basically, they've decided that by forcing themselves to only order once a month...
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. There's no
SPEAKER_01:impulse. There's no impulse at all. Yeah. And it makes them spend considerably less. He says he probably spends 40%, 50% less than he would. No kidding.
SPEAKER_03:That's probably so. But I think at the same time, too, I have... I've noticed in our house, we have moved to that being a form of quick purchase on things that we've forgotten about. But I also have little kids. So things that are just like, hey, we really need that for tomorrow. Yeah. That's fast. That's us. That's a different thing. Yeah. More staple. Your kids are probably about in that same phase. We do the same thing all the time. Yeah. Especially for staple items. We're not buying hundreds of dollars worth of stuff. And I mean, looking back at our statements, we're not buying hundreds of dollars worth of stuff in the year. Right. It's like we're just getting things that we know we need. And my wife's a teacher. So in the summer, when she's bored, she'll get something. She's like, oh, I'm going to make this for the kids so they can play. Great. Perfect. Do that. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. It'll be working anyway. Smart. Make something fun.
SPEAKER_01:Well, you do wonder, like if I go to the store, I'm spending$115 no matter which store I go to. Before you make it in. So you do wonder, there might be a trade there. It might actually be better
SPEAKER_03:than
SPEAKER_01:just ordering it and not going to the store and seeing all the other things that are out there.
SPEAKER_03:But that's a real thing, though. It has been studied that people spend less when they purchase online than if they're in the store because impulse buy is a real thing. You don't walk past the cash register. Kids are screaming at stuff or whatever. So, I mean... There is a very marketable issue. Magazines, bonbons, Reese's. Yeah, exactly. Monster, Sugar Zero.
SPEAKER_01:Bingo. You still buy magazines?
SPEAKER_03:No. I actually buy subscriptions to magazines on my phone. That's smart. No, my wife does. I would never. Katie gets Better Homes and Gardens, and she used to get Magnolia, too. I
SPEAKER_01:feel like we got a couple for a long time, even after we didn't subscribe any longer. They just kept sending them. They just keep
SPEAKER_03:sending them. Dude, for some reason, for like a year, this was like two years ago, so I'm like, I don't know, like 30? My parents were getting Sports Illustrated to their house for me. And I'd never ordered any Sports Illustrated. I was like, some kind of stranger just sent me Sports Illustrated. Oh, my gosh, man. That's why I don't read Sports Illustrated. It's
SPEAKER_01:on my phone. It's
SPEAKER_03:kind
SPEAKER_01:of like having a watch. I still get those BMG ads for CDs. Yes.
SPEAKER_03:Do you remember when we were kids waking up and the super loud, like just the auto reel?
UNKNOWN:Yep.
SPEAKER_03:Like whatever it would be, you know, church radio is, get 50 tracks now. For 99 cents. For 99 cents, baby. This could be yours for the short and low price of$9.99 per month. Plus shipping and handling. Forever. Buy now. Do you guys want to know a crazy life hack? Speaking of magazines, do you want to know how you get free magazines for life? Set up a DBA. Yeah. Barbershop. Yeah. Oh, so I, okay. So this, this checks out. Let me get this. Get a barbershop. Yep. Set up a DBA. Yep. Get free magazines. Get free magazines. Spend thousands and thousands of dollars in rent. No, no, no. Not that. Use your home address as your barbershop, and they will send you over. They're trying to get you hooked, so you subscribe, I guess, is what we would call it. But it's all these different magazines.
SPEAKER_01:It's periodical. They're getting a syndication on that ads. It's true. They're sending out ones that nobody's going to. subscribe to anyway.
SPEAKER_03:It's true. You get a ton. Yeah, I mean, how many people are really reading Ford Motor House magazines? For a while, I was getting Motor Trend. That was cool. What was it in Dodgeball? Obscure Sports Quarterly. Obscure Sports Quarterly. Oh, yeah. I read it in the OSQ. If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball. Oh, yeah. It's on ESPN8. The Ocho. Classic Ocho. Thanks, Glenn. Was that Jason Bateman? That was Bateman in that, wasn't it? Yeah. No.
SPEAKER_01:It's not?
SPEAKER_03:Mm-mm. Well, I'm thinking that character. He was one of the announcers on the intro. He was the announcer, yeah. On the Ocho, I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought you were talking about the guy on the team. No. Vince Vaughn and the goofy guy. There's a lot of them in that one. Vince Vaughn was the main one. Justin Long was the kid. The dude that played the dad in Talladega Nights was the other one. Oh my gosh, what is his name, dude? All I think about every time something cool happens... And Grandma's Boy, the robot guy. Yes. Every time something cool happens, I pull the Jason Bateman from Dodgeball. Pepper needs new shorts. Right you are, Pepper. I feel shocked. Yeah, or what right you are. What does he say? Gosh, I feel shocked. I should go be a sports announcer. You should be. I could totally be color commentary. Yeah. That'd be fun. Everybody'd forget who Gruden was. Yeah, I mean, I just show up and just piss excellence.
SPEAKER_01:Would you eat yourself?
SPEAKER_03:Probably not. Couldn't figure out how. All right. Well, that was a really fun 10 minutes of just absolute nonsense. We've got more where that came from. Yeah. We can just keep going. This will be three episodes. I know. I know. Well, I actually laughed because when we did Jeff's episode, he was like, oh, this is definitely going to be the longest episode. And it was the longest by one minute. That's it? That's it. Now, to be fair, two hours and 13 minutes is a long episode. That was only the longest by one minute, though? Yeah. Wow. No, Sean and Mindy's was 212. Yeah. Yeah. Radical. Okay. So, Tim, welcome, man. Thanks. Super fun episode. We've been excited about it. Tell us a little bit about the Tim. Who is the Tim? Actually, let's start with this. What is the Tim? Um. Oh, man, that's a good answer. A lot of sexy. Oh, absolutely. That's pretty much it. That's basically it. That's how most people describe me. Actually, I did want to ask you about this. I'm pretty sure that I saw your name. Didn't Tim Phelps invent the Chippendales? Wasn't that you?
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:Nice. That's
SPEAKER_01:great stuff. I've got a video I can share with you
SPEAKER_03:on that, by the way. You can. Excellent. I'm going to have to remember that. So besides being absolute lady killer, totally gorgeous. Sure. What else is there?
SPEAKER_01:Well, let's see. I'm a father of three. I've got twin boys.
SPEAKER_03:Twin boys. How is it? What's it like being the father of an Olympian?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. So one of my boys is named Michael Phelps. Yes. This is so epic. He does like to swim, so it works out. Yeah, that's
SPEAKER_03:true.
SPEAKER_01:His brother and he are going to be swimming this summer. They already had a whole month of warm-ups. They're ready to go. They're ready.
SPEAKER_03:They're ready for it. Local club team.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, Overland Park Waves. Shout out.
UNKNOWN:Woo-woo!
SPEAKER_01:But yeah, it's fun. They love it. Then I've got a five-year-old girl. She was our surprise. Nice. So she's a handful and a lot of fun. Yeah. Love it.
SPEAKER_03:Love it. Yeah. I just picture that kind of being like how Madison is when she's a little older. There you go. About the same, yep.
SPEAKER_01:And then I've got my own Katie. Not the same Katie. Different Katie. Different
SPEAKER_03:Katie. Sharing Katie's classic. That could be a great sitcom. What was it you had for me? Going rogue. Going rogue. That's right. That's right, man. Nice, man. That's awesome. I actually did see your post today about like, what was it, five years ago or something like that? Nine years ago to now? Yeah, it was a while ago. Yeah, or something like that. You had the boys and then now the whole fam.
SPEAKER_01:That's pretty rad. Katie and I have been together since we were, well, I was 16, she was 17. No kidding. Wow.
SPEAKER_03:That's awesome, man. 50 years, huh? Yeah. Not
SPEAKER_01:quite that much, but yes. It feels like it. That's love. That
SPEAKER_03:is love. That's cool, man. That's awesome. That's like my sister and her husband. They've been together. 50
SPEAKER_01:years? I've not been with his sister. I don't know what he's talking about. She sounds great,
SPEAKER_03:though. She's a great girl. She's a kind lady. What do you do, Mr. Phelps?
SPEAKER_01:I work for a company called First Orion. We are a supporter of the T-Mobile system.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:We're the folks that tell T-Mobile about the calls that are on their network and make suggestions to them about who they may or may mark as scam likely.
SPEAKER_03:Nice. Okay. Whenever it pops up on my phone and says scam likely, I can just be like, Tim's got my back. One love.
SPEAKER_01:Yep.
SPEAKER_03:It's rad. And then...
SPEAKER_01:Kind of similar to that, an adjacent product that we do is we sell caller ID services. We call it branded calling, but it's for somebody making an outbound call, a business. We can put their logo on the outbound call. We can make sure their number shows up through all the mobile networks, which they don't naturally do. No kidding? Nice. It's a great service a lot of businesses need.
SPEAKER_03:So would this be considered a consultancy or would this be like a... I guess, is this just like a provider of a singular service? Because it feels like there's a couple of things in there, but it also feels pretty niche.
SPEAKER_01:It is kind of niche. All the three main carriers, they each have a company like ours that does their what we call network analytics or data analytics for all their calls. So I imagine an environment where you have thousands and millions of calls coming across the network. If you have the right kind of systems and the right kind of software to watch those calls, then you can see the anomalies that happen with people who are trying to circumvent that. You can see the one caller that calls 12 people at once, which they do a lot. And we can see if somebody hasn't used a phone number for two years and then all of a sudden it's getting 400 calls in a day. Yeah. Things like that. Yeah. Those are all indicators to us. And it's not just any one of those things. It's all of those things. They're coming from the same area. And then all these little pieces tell us that's probably a bad guy.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. So is it the company that you work for then, are they affiliated with T-Mobile? Does T-Mobile own you?
SPEAKER_01:They're basically our customer. Customer. Okay. One of our largest
SPEAKER_03:customers. Yeah, that's cool. So... How in the heck did you get to doing that?
SPEAKER_01:Well, I've done marketing there for three, three and a half years, something like that. I remember when you started. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I kind of had a long life at Birch Telecom or Birch Communications. Was marketing director there for a long time. And so kind of always done telecom or technical kind of marketing stuff. And yeah. Kind of had a couple jobs between until I found this one. It's kind of back to my roots.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah,
SPEAKER_04:yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Heck yeah,
SPEAKER_01:man. It's a cool– it's a really cool company. They're one of the best companies I've ever worked for. They're just, I mean, people-focused, and we're doing cool, unique stuff that nobody else is doing. There's an opportunity for me to check out all kinds of technology. We're doing some really cool stuff with AI. Yeah, yeah. you know, not just network stuff, but like robocall, trapping and tracing, and some of that stuff that, you know, there's very few companies in the world that are doing the same type of work we're doing for
SPEAKER_03:that. That's awesome. This is one of my favorite things, even at the barbershop, because you and I have talked about it. We talk about this a lot, yeah. What do you do? You know, there's so many cool things, so many cool answers to what do you do. Until right now, I was today years old.
SPEAKER_04:I
SPEAKER_03:didn't know that there was an individual behind that company trying to fix in. That's cool. Well, it's like an interesting kind of deal because like for yours, it's a little different. Yours is almost like, so in the cybersecurity world, we would call it almost like an IDP. It's like an identity detection. Sure. Threat detection. Yeah. And like incident response and stuff like that. Yeah. So, I mean, reality is like for that, you're playing that game of like good versus bad. So very similar to like a cybersecurity situation. But then yours would be, you know, kind of like that. Gosh, what the heck do we call it? Like very early threat detection. Right. And those are hugely helpful. So, I mean, you know, I mean, so it can definitely help. And I can see how, like, with what you do, how AI would be really helpful. Because, like, in my world, we use AI as a response tool as well, but also a prevention tool. Yeah, that's, I do have a question. I don't mean to cut you off. And excuse me if this is a silly question, but you know how if you get a, like, one of those spam texts, right? And it says report as junk. Is that something that would come to you?
SPEAKER_01:That's a great question. There's actually another company that does just that. OK. Oh, my gosh. That's wild. Wow. So, yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't you know, we, of course, wanted to do that. But yeah, that's fine. But I mean. There's a lot of stuff going across the network that we can look at
SPEAKER_04:to
SPEAKER_01:evaluate numbers and other things. The truth about the phone system is that it's a lot weaker than you would think it is. All this litigation and all this stuff that's happened to try to stop robocalls and stop bad guys and all those, the reality of it is almost all of it's just not been effective. There's weaknesses in the systems that have been...
SPEAKER_03:You may know about this. So this is why, like I was saying, the IDP world is such a big deal. So intrusion detection in general is such a huge deal. You may know of this. I actually listened to this on another podcast about a group that was able to essentially get into a company and they were able to call X amount of times and tie up that line. And as long as that line stayed active, they were getting paid because it was over a long-distance call pay. Right. So they were getting paid. So it was just like a loop back. And do you remember this? This has been years ago now.
SPEAKER_01:So there are, yeah. And there's also, there's parts of the phone network that, that because they traverse a call because a call goes across, they bill certain parts of the other, other parts of the network. Right.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Well, so if you can figure out a way to like, let's say you remember the old days of the conference call. Oh yeah. You can call it a phone number. Yeah. Free conference call. You could sign up for them online.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But what they were doing was the phone company in rural Iowa somewhere is getting paid big bucks to make that call go through because it's through their network. They're getting paid by the network for that, and they're somehow getting thousands and thousands of calls. that because some guy's got a computer in his basement.
SPEAKER_03:No kidding. But at the same time, back when that was really a thing, bandwidth capabilities were a lot lower. So it's the same thing as owning airspace, right? Capability to run through somebody's bandwidth was incredibly beneficial. Right. For you, but at the same time, you're paying for it. So the reality was there weren't that many of them that were really able to do it well. Yeah. And, I mean, they were probably making a pretty penny just existing.
SPEAKER_01:Wow. That was a whole thing. And you could get, in college, we could buy these phone cards. Oh, yeah. I used to call my now wife, but use these phone cards, but they would be almost nothing, like nothing. one and a half cents a call, which at the time was crazy. Yeah. But it's because they were doing the same thing. All your calls were going through some rural carrier in
SPEAKER_03:Colorado. Yeah. I mean, it became like a brokerage, right? Yeah. So it was just like a call broker that was taking all that traffic and then sifting it and putting it somewhere else. Yeah. So like now I'm interested because like, how does, how is, I know a lot about communication over wireless networks. Um, but I know it more from the security side of things. So how are you guys handling things? And this doesn't have to be a specific answer of how you are handling it, but maybe how you think about it. What about like VoIP calling? Because like that's such a change from radio frequency calling in the past.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean, a lot of the phone calls you make today, including cell phones, are basically VoIP calls. There's no, at least, you know, at your device, almost everywhere is now VoIP. digital. Even in the house, if you have cable based phone service or something like that, they're all basically VoIP phones. Now, that being said, the infrastructure is still all copper and probably will be copper forever.
SPEAKER_03:I can imagine it not being... It's probably the easiest path, too, considering the amount of... Here's a little school for you. Call it noise, which means things that get in the way of waves like frequencies right yeah so there's a significant amount of noise placed on networks or even like wireless routing in general when there's heavy metals copper is not a heavy metal right so therefore it's well also it's very expensive so i mean the reality is you could potentially put that in and it lasts forever and
SPEAKER_01:be able to actually infrastructure is the problem yeah it would be replacing all that infrastructure.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but is that even doable? I mean, it's not like replacing a road. I mean, you're taking something down. Well, I guess the same concept of replacing a road. You're making that road out of commission.
SPEAKER_01:The one chance we have at that actually happening would be related to some of the stuff we do. Because the way you circumvent the networks is you go through an old TDM network that... strips away all the data and stuff that came with your call that shows who you really are.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Go through one of those and come back out. Yeah. Come back out clean. You look good. Yeah. It's money laundering, but through a phone call. Yeah. Wow.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah,
SPEAKER_01:that makes sense. That's one of the key reasons why we still have scam spam calls today.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Well, and I think also it's very easy for people to be manipulated and By voice in general.
SPEAKER_01:Have you watched any of the guys that do the scam calling stuff? Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, like the guys that hack them back? Yes. I love that. Dude, there are a few things in the security world I like more than honeypotting. It's so good. And if you're not familiar with the term honeypotting, it means I'm making something look so good that you come to take it and it's nothing but a jail cell. And I take all your stuff. There's a really good example of that in the movie The Interview. Oh, yeah. Classic. What a classic movie. Did you see that one? I don't know that one. Oh, yeah. Seth Rogen. Bro. James Franco. Bro. Did I get honey-potted? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you did. That's classic. Yeah, that term can be used outside of the network security world, too. That might be different. Do what? Wow. It's like a sleep token. You're really on this. You're really on this, aren't you? I'll let you know. He's like, this guy, this Yahoo's sitting across from me. He's going to get in the car, and he's going to listen to it all the way home. I am. Sounds good. What a revelation. Yeah. Okay, Rad, dude. So you've kind of always been in at least a little bit of the tech space. Was some engineering in there, too? Started out at Radio Shack. Oh, yeah. My man. We've got questions. We've got answers. It's like, listen here, Linda. Here's what you need, okay? This is the finest... Rotary phone you can get, okay? And if you're not getting it, then who are you, okay? This is what it is, all right? Look at it. You want to steal your neighbor's HDTV? Put this set of rabbit ears up. I'm telling you, Roger next door, there's no way. He's putting a ton of line into this house, okay? This rotary's keeping it going. Yeah. Radio
SPEAKER_01:Shack was great. We didn't have rotary phones at the time, but we did have...
SPEAKER_03:I know, I was going back onto your
SPEAKER_01:50 years of marriage thing. That's a little bit farther away. Man, we did have... I'm trying to recall. At my house, we had a cordless phone that had the metal antenna on it. Oh, heck yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I wasn't back that far. We didn't have those when... I don't even think we had antennas on the phone anymore. They were
SPEAKER_03:all built in. I remember a plastic antenna, like an inch tall, like about that. Yeah, I remember the big metal antenna that you'd pull up on, and you'd get so mad when you got out of range. Or you'd turn and hit a doorway. Hit a doorway, yeah, yeah, yeah. Break the thing off. Break the thing, yeah. Close the door on it. Damn. I remember my dad or my mom, I can't remember, if one of them broke, they'd pinch it together and file it. Yeah. So it didn't stab
SPEAKER_01:you. Yeah, yeah. My mom used to have a... cord on her phone that literally she could reach the entire house from a corded phone. Heck yeah. And I say used to have. She still has the same phone and still has the same cord. Literally, like she'd go to the bathroom, the kitchen, the far rooms. See, that's an old school
SPEAKER_03:move. And speaking of crazy old school move, I had a buddy whose grandma put carpet on the ceiling because she wanted carpet in the house so bad, but she knew her kids were my buddy's dad would just tear it up. They put the carpet on the ceiling and it is bananas. My point is the extent people would go to to get what they want, even if it means an 85-foot phone cord.
SPEAKER_01:Those phone cords were legit, too. What's great is after time, they'd stretch out so it'd be even longer.
SPEAKER_03:Exactly. It's because they're spinning around their finger. Oh, you would not believe.
SPEAKER_01:Linda, check this out. Can you imagine how good the sound was, though, in that house?
SPEAKER_03:Oh,
SPEAKER_01:my gosh. Zero echo. It just
SPEAKER_03:boomed. No cups up against the doorways and that.
SPEAKER_01:Couldn't hear a thing. I
SPEAKER_03:might have to get some carpet on my ceiling. You know what? That's the move, man. That's the move. You know, my great-grandma, I remember when I was a kid, she had one of the last shared lines in the country. Oh, yeah. Nice. And you could tell by the way the phone rang if it was for her or her neighbor. Oh, yeah. And I remember when I was little,
SPEAKER_01:younger than Madden. It would go blip, blip, blip, blip. Yep.
SPEAKER_03:Yep. I would go to pick up her phone, and she'd say, honey, that's for the neighbor.
SPEAKER_01:Mm-hmm.
UNKNOWN:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_03:I look at her like, how do you
SPEAKER_01:know that?
SPEAKER_03:She's a magician.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Have you ever seen how pulse phones work at the phone company? No. It's incredibly cool. It's literally flipping switches like a transistor would. Really? Flipping switches back at the thing. That's what you're hearing. No kidding. That's wild. It's pretty cool. There's another guy on the internet. Classic internet guy. Somebody over in, I think, England, that he does all this phone stuff, and he shows how all that stuff works. I love that. That was
SPEAKER_03:one of my favorite shows, how
SPEAKER_01:it works.
SPEAKER_03:That's what you really do at home during work time, isn't
SPEAKER_01:it? And if you need to, you can watch that all the way to sleep. It'll take you all the way to 99. Every time. No token needed. No tokens necessary. You guys are the worst.
SPEAKER_03:I have no friends. That's what this
SPEAKER_01:is. Is his name Four or Ivy? I don't understand.
SPEAKER_03:Both. Depends on how you look
SPEAKER_01:at it.
SPEAKER_03:Are you a good sleeve token fan or a bad one?
SPEAKER_01:I'm eight. One love,
SPEAKER_03:baby. I'm kind of digging the vessel. Oh, yeah. That's pretty rad. Yeah. Pretty rad. Okay, so you do a lot of tech things, though, too. And I know that. What's your favorite part of that?
SPEAKER_01:Well, I mean, now it's AI stuff. I'm doing a ton of AI stuff. Are you? Just trying to learn AI stuff. I find projects for myself to do just because I want to see how it all works. Yeah,
SPEAKER_03:yeah. So what's some of your fun projects that you, some of your favorite projects you've done with AI? Well, today. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:I won't get too deep into this in case somebody from work hears this, but I had somebody insist that they had not been told something.
SPEAKER_03:Yep.
SPEAKER_01:And I knew they had been told something. In fact, I knew they had been told several times. Yeah, I get that. So I dropped every EML file from my Microsoft Outlook. And I dropped in a couple of call transcripts that we had from teams. And I said, give me every instance that this happened. And literally within seconds, it was a full printout of everything we talked about related to that. And every single time that had been addressed, it was fantastic. Oh man. What a flex.
SPEAKER_03:It's a major flex. What a flex. People do not realize how powerful that moment is when you realize everything I needed is right here and I don't have to do anything for it. Um, which is also why I don't think that AI is going to take over a human any time in this quick, fast-paced moment.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I think it's just like robots. Everybody thought robots were going to take over, and they really have in some ways, but others not. It creates a new industry, right? It creates people that build robots, people that understand how it works. And something
SPEAKER_03:new, Stokesphere, and
SPEAKER_01:yeah, yeah, yeah. I see the same thing with AI. Yeah. Do I think it can do things that other people used to do? Sure. But really, that's happened with everything we do. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, cars. Cars. We no longer have square wheels. Fire. Fire. Now I can just... We don't roll rocks up the hill anymore. AI is so cool, though, because AI built and aliens. You didn't know that? Oh, dude, I had no idea that that was AI. AI has been around for thousands of years. Absolutely. Alien intelligence. Bingo. AI is cool to me because it feels like it's the new space. Where's the limit? Yeah, I think it's just the reality that... computing power has come a long way, and the fact that we're no longer on a desktop, quote-unquote, that's the size of this room for 100 megabytes of data. Right. And even then, that's probably way too much. I'm thinking more like 5 megabytes of data at the time. What was that movie?
SPEAKER_01:I had a 2400 baud modem that I could run the world from. Oh, dude, yeah. I know the movie you're talking
SPEAKER_03:about. Hidden Figures? Yes. The women that worked at NASA? Their computers... were like so not what they are today. Like stories tall. Huge. Yeah, huge. Wait, wait, wait. Their computers were people first. People first, absolutely. Well, that was the 60s, I think, right? Yeah. So there was not a whole lot of computing power going on anyway, but they were still working on stuff. But as it began to progress, right, like there was not much that you could do with just about anything technical. Now, all of a sudden, it probably felt like a mega boom. It's kind of like the situation, like I feel like right now is that whole situation that happened in Y2K when everybody crapped in their shorts. Yeah. They're like, oh, man, everything's going south. The only thing that was going south was Inateck. Anybody? Anybody? Space joke. I love it. I love it. But yeah, I mean, those things are, I totally agree. Like, of course, we can make it anything at this point. Yeah. I don't know. It's one of those deals.
SPEAKER_01:So here's an interesting one for you. My uncle, my mom's oldest brother.
UNKNOWN:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:And my mom's sister and her sister's husband, all three worked at NASA during that same time frame. Nice. No
SPEAKER_04:way.
SPEAKER_01:They
SPEAKER_03:built rockets?
SPEAKER_01:As Hispanic Americans, that movie really also relates as well. Heck yeah. Very interesting. So I've got a picture of my Uncle Rudy, shout out, on a chalkboard. Get out of here, man. That's so cool. Just like, you know. I have goosebumps. I don't know what it's just like from the movie, but it was really... Well, that hits. Damn
SPEAKER_03:it.
SPEAKER_01:Whoa.
SPEAKER_03:That's bad anus.
UNKNOWN:It is.
SPEAKER_03:Super cool. Your Uncle Rudy's rat and all the other seven people that apparently worked at NASA in your family. Yeah. Super cool. Sorry, I'll turn that off now. I know that that tripped you out. Well, I did not see that coming. I know. It gets wild. That is really neat, man. So what... What does good old Uncle Rudy, what would he think of the AIs? I can hear them already. Sissies. Bunch of pansies. They need a computer to do their trigonometry.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know. I should ask him. That would be interesting. I don't know. I do have another funny NASA story, though.
SPEAKER_03:I do not know that you know this about NASA. This
SPEAKER_01:is cool. This is
SPEAKER_03:my uncle who...
SPEAKER_01:He invented NASA? No, no. But him and his wife, the Moorheads, by the way. Classic. Robert and Dolores, if you want to check them out. They were some of the engineers that developed the space shuttle that we know today.
SPEAKER_03:Nice.
SPEAKER_01:So one time, I'm 8, 9, 10 years old. We're over at their house for Thanksgiving or something like that. That's
SPEAKER_03:just a few short years
SPEAKER_01:before you
SPEAKER_03:met Katie.
SPEAKER_01:My uncle is trying to get... the Cowboys game on TV because they lived in Houston. He can't get the remote or whatever to get to the Cowboys game. He gets ticked off and throws a remote across the room and says, damn it, I can build a space shuttle, but I can't get the damn remote to work. Oh, my gosh, man. That is such a real-life struggle, though. But wait, it gets better. My mom turns to me and she goes, Timmy, go fix this TV and get that going.
SPEAKER_03:And you did.
SPEAKER_01:And
SPEAKER_03:you did. Oh, yeah. And now you're like throwing the remote and you're like, I don't know how to fix a space shuttle. Wow. That is classic. That's classic. Yeah. That's a real thing though, right? That's a real thing. Oh, my gosh. So my kind of a funny thing like with devices, my father-in-law works on an iPad almost exclusively for work. And my daughter saw my... desk at work and she's like daddy did you did you get your work from from papa i was like well no papa's got an ipad he works on too uh you did you get it from him and i was like no no that's not uh that's not where i got mine she's like oh papa got it from his work I just thought you got it from his work, too. No. The way their minds work, man. I love it. But to that, to your point, the innocence of the reality of to tune out all the garbage of it and just go do the thing, it's hilarious. Because in my daughter's brain, that's a technology thing. It's all coming from the same place. Obviously, your dog works at Apple. Exactly, yeah. Mr. Lenovo. Okay, so... You like AI, and I know that. And I know that because you also had another project that you did very recently with AI, which we're going to turn on in a second. Yeah. How did this happen?
SPEAKER_01:Tell me the story. This is one of those days where you weren't there. I don't know why you weren't there. You weren't scheduled with us for some reason. Yeah, the
SPEAKER_03:lameness.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know why either. So it's just me and Mindy, and I think Matt. Matt was working. Oh, yeah. uh and i got a wild hair i was like you know we need a nick song if nick was here he'd be dancing to a song
SPEAKER_03:a quick interjection i love it he can tell you there this is not the first uh i'm gonna call it a slight it's not a slight at me at all but this is not the first like thing about me kind of just being a kind of crazy wild vibrant person Two
SPEAKER_01:wild and crazy guys.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. I dance a lot at church, and I sing a lot at church, and my whole thing is I tell them I need a microphone up in the booth so that I can sing backing vocals for them on the stage, and nobody would know any better. That would be epic. It would be epic. So this is where
SPEAKER_01:this kind of came from. Yeah. Dude, that's cool. So I went to chat GBT, as one does. Of course. And I told chat GBT all about Nick. Handsome guy. It's in there. It says it. It also says that he says he's handsome, which
SPEAKER_03:is fantastic.
UNKNOWN:It's true. It does.
SPEAKER_03:I didn't even
SPEAKER_01:think about that.
SPEAKER_03:Wow. Good for me.
SPEAKER_01:It's so cool.
SPEAKER_03:It's so cool.
SPEAKER_01:So, I mean, literally, you know, in a paragraph, I said all these little quips about Nick, all these things we do. And Chad GBT comes back with lyrics. So then I go to this other app, which has proven to be an incredible service for America. It's so true. And I said, I want a 90s Christian soft Christian rock song. Yep. Stephen Curtis Chapman style.
UNKNOWN:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:And then I gave it the lyrics and it completely built the song, sang it, harmonized against itself, added lyrics, added all the things. And I mean, I'm not going to say it's perfect. Like I wouldn't know for sure, but it's so good. You would think somebody wrote a song
SPEAKER_03:and then put it on the radio. And with that being said, we can actually play it because it's not copywritten. Yeah. So we're going to play a quick snippet of that. Yeah. Are you cool with that?
SPEAKER_04:We have an original.
SPEAKER_03:Here
SPEAKER_01:it is. Are you cool with that? Me and a few AIs own that. That's true. So as long as you're cool with it. I'm cool with it. Okay,
SPEAKER_03:so I'll reach out to you formally over email. Dude, it's so catchy. By the way, my daughter wants to dance to this all the time. She calls it daddy's
SPEAKER_00:song. With lights that move in colors, you won't forget.
SPEAKER_03:It's just kind of wild. Yeah. I am late a lot.
UNKNOWN:Quick trip love.
SPEAKER_03:Here we go.
SPEAKER_00:Is that true? When the lights are on. I mean, if
SPEAKER_03:that's not impressive, I don't know what is, right? Good job, man. First of all, the fact that AI exists to do that is just super fun. And that's hilarious. And I mean, I laughed uncontrollably when he first sent it to me. But you also laugh at how legit that is. Oh, yeah. That's impressive. 100%.
SPEAKER_01:I'm sitting there. We're doing church stuff. Yeah. I'm busy. But I'm talking to AI, and I'm like, hey, make this thing. Do this thing, yeah. So I haven't heard it. So I'm sitting there with the two people I'm working with, and I go, hey, guys, listen to this. We all heard it together for the very first time.
SPEAKER_04:And
SPEAKER_01:I know it's going to be something good because I've already played with this thing. I'm like, let's do this. And it's just beautiful. Boom. Also, by the way, it usually gives you a couple different options, which is interesting because what I found is almost always, no matter which one I listen to first, is the one I like the best.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that's definitely true. And I've played with this a little bit too. I had some experiences with it prior to you sending me this, but they never really went back to it. Once I actually heard this, I was like, all right, I'm in. I'm coming back to it. So I actually made one for us. I made 16 of them for us, actually. They're awesome. Several different styles. The first one. Isn't that funny? You brought up the first one. Yeah, that was the one you liked the best. The first one was the best, and then I liked number three. So we're going to put it on the episode... Yeah. Do we need to play it now a little bit? Yeah. Give me a little teaser. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll give everybody a little tease. Let's try it. Let's try it out. So just to show you how simple it is, because I could have made this within the time that we sat here, too. We should do that. We should make one. Okay, so we're going to make some topics, and we'll do that. We'll do that. You should do it on mine. Oh,
SPEAKER_01:I'll send you the thing and you can put
SPEAKER_03:it in. That way I can play it. So here's the one that we came up with. I made some lyrics. I threw them in there. I did not chat GBT to lyrics. I actually just came up with some random ones that I thought were fitting. And this is what it spit out at us.
SPEAKER_02:Welcome. Jason Mraz.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it sounds like him. Very,
SPEAKER_02:yeah. But
SPEAKER_03:it's like, it's putting together a lot of elements that are very catchy. Yeah. And like, truly, if you weren't paying attention, you would think it's just a regular song. But it's not overcomplicated either. No, it doesn't have to be. Uh-uh. This is definitely the best part. Yep.
SPEAKER_02:Ready, set, get psyched! I
SPEAKER_03:love it. But the elements put together, it's really cool to think about what AI can do. Sometimes scary, but such a fun thing. That's fun. Why not, right? Why not, right? So if that's not at least a little bit of a balance of what you can do, I don't know what is. So what do we need to prompt this thing with, Tim? Let's make a song right now on the fly. I can... Build a shuttle but can't fix a TV remote. Oh, yeah. I really like that. Hey, Madden. Hey, pick something. Pick a topic. Pick a topic. Pick a better topic. Okay, baseball. Yeah, that'll work. That'll work. That's definitely better than the other one. You said that like the last three times I've asked you to pick a topic. He loves that word. I'm pretty sure you asked your dad the first time he had a question about that. What he reads when he goes poop. What do you read? Yep. Gosh. Total boy. Love it. That's awesome. That's what I have to look forward to when I have a 10 and 13-year-old. My family's full of geniuses and yours is dumb. What kind of song do we want? I think you almost have to go with like a 90s boy band. Yeah. Oh, heck yeah. I think that that definitely... Well, that would be putting us in New Kids on the Block territory. Should we go like... Backstreet Boys 2000s. Maybe if we can throw it in like a specific Backstreet Boys NSYNC. You know what? Let's Nick Lachey 98 Degrees. There we go. Yeah. We could do all of it. We could do everything. Hit me with all of it.
SPEAKER_02:Show me the meaning of being lonely. The
SPEAKER_01:song lyrics are coming up right now.
UNKNOWN:No.
SPEAKER_01:It looks like it's going to be a lot about you, Nick. Why
SPEAKER_03:is it always about me? Why is it always about me? Who would have thought that was going to happen? Tim sits around at night and he's like, I wonder what Nick's doing. Let's write a song about him.
SPEAKER_01:I'm going to send this to you. You take out of this whatever you want, but I think you just make a whole song. Okay. Here we go. It's coming to you. So did you make the song already? No, no, no. I'm just sending you the...
SPEAKER_03:Okay, so you're sending
SPEAKER_01:me... You're going to take the lyrics and you're going to walk them through how you make a song.
SPEAKER_03:So he's got the lyrics, yep. All
SPEAKER_01:right, so... It starts with Tim's soulful lead, verse one. Classic, classic.
SPEAKER_03:All right, so it's not here yet. Have you sent it? Oh, yeah. Okay. Come on, Tim. I did the thing. I thought you were the phone guy.
SPEAKER_01:You might have to pause this and get back on that.
SPEAKER_03:No, no, no, no, no. We don't do that here. We don't do that here. So I think that... Wait.
SPEAKER_01:Nick, you beautiful, flaky, emotional, unavailable man. I don't know why it says that. I think it's talking about your lateness is what it's doing. The name of the song, just so you guys know, is Late Again, Nick.
SPEAKER_03:Oh my gosh, I love that. Did you get it yet? No, I haven't gotten it yet.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, I'm... then while you're waiting on that, I'm going to just go ahead and build it just in case.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, go ahead and do that anyway. So what's going to happen is he's going to take all the lyrics. He's going to dump them into this program. And the way that the program is going to take is we're going to basically put the prompt in there based on what we said between whatever boy bands we wanted. And then he's probably got a couple other quick random styles that he'll put in. I don't know, like contemporary, whatever. And then it takes all that info, gathers it up into this song, throws it into a beat, and then you have this epically, perfectly worded super voice of an angel beauty that comes down from the heavens as they open wide. So what is stopping somebody like me? Nothing. You own the rights to it. I don't know if that's true. Breaking the airwaves with this song by some unknown...
SPEAKER_01:I don't know that you do.
SPEAKER_03:You can use it and it would be going under your profile. Let's just say that. So we don't know for sure on the rights thing. However... The reality is that there's an ability for you to create a thing if you wish to do so and put it out for the world. No kidding.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And even on this app, you can do that. Wow, that's wild, man. Which is cool. Which is like a huge plug for this app, but whatever. Hashtag not sponsored.
SPEAKER_01:I think we have somebody we need to reach out to. We haven't even told anybody what the name of it is, though. I know. We're keeping that a secret. Now, if you're not getting my text, I don't know how this is going to work.
SPEAKER_03:Well, we'll figure that part out here in a second.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that is weird. I've got service. I've got five bars, too, so I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, Tim, I thought you were the phone guy this whole time.
SPEAKER_00:Headset Britney style. I'm going to rock that. Oh, could you imagine it
SPEAKER_03:like a Prince? Oh, man, like a Purple Rain style.
SPEAKER_01:Purple Rain style. Maybe it's because it was super long. I sent you all the lyrics.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, that's probably what it was. It was trying to figure out how to not crap in its jeans. Should I... You want me to read the URL to you? VZNJ. Can you airdrop it? Oh, wait. You have a dumb phone. No. Okay, so. All right. What we're going to do, because this is going to work, we're going to take a quick break. Yep. We're going to get this going. Yep. And then part two is going to be fun zone. Boom. Boom. Done. Be back in a minute. Sounds good. We're back. We're back. And we have a song to share. We are back. A total AI song. And we have not, we know nothing about this. No. We have not heard this yet. So we're all going to hear this together. We have legitimately been off air for maybe a minute. Yeah. Yeah, maybe. We changed the battery. Yeah. So let's see how it did for us. I can't wait. Are you guys ready? I'm ready. Let's do this. Oh, here you go. This is going to be a great song considering the fact that there's a super nice convertible.
SPEAKER_01:It also makes
SPEAKER_03:a cover. Yeah. Yeah.
UNKNOWN:Yeah, girl.
SPEAKER_04:I told you.
SPEAKER_02:I pulled up at six like I said I would Sitting in the car in your neighborhood What is this? Like I stole his baby
SPEAKER_00:Where you at? It's getting weird, bro You treat time like it's optional I trend your fate and I light it tight You still can't show up on time Not once in your life You got one job, be there But you ghost like it's okay That's classic. That's true. Yes! Okay, so it very clearly... Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_03:Hey,
SPEAKER_00:wait, wait. is there more my family's full of genius not gonna lie uncle saw physics just don't hand him a tivo guy crude things iq is the thing you scream when someone sneezes near you i wait i believed Time waits for no man.
SPEAKER_03:Time waits for no man.
SPEAKER_00:Hey. Late again, Nick. You're consistent like a clock with a busted tick. What the fuck? It's late again, bro. We're starting to think your watch is just for show. It is. It's true. Anyone shave the guy with the jump rope. Just won't show up and blow our minds. Instead of text like, sorry, bro, lost track of time. Oh my gosh, that's fantastic. This is
SPEAKER_03:classic. My face hurts. This
SPEAKER_01:is
SPEAKER_00:classic. This is awesome. It's amazing.
SPEAKER_01:Wait, here's the outro.
SPEAKER_00:So as
SPEAKER_03:you can see, AI sometimes has
SPEAKER_04:some work to it.
SPEAKER_03:So that was amazing. Everything about that was amazing. And I would do it again, 100%.
SPEAKER_01:I will give you a tip on the old AI. So when I do lyrics, I will sometimes... look through them briefly. and adjust a couple of things before I send it over to the app to have the song made.
SPEAKER_03:Because it could come out with something like whatever it said at the end. Something about the driveway. Yeah. I do love the part, though, where it's a driveway brick by brick.
SPEAKER_00:That was fantastic. But
SPEAKER_01:how cool! Pulling plates and cracks like I stole it. Did you catch this sort of calling you Marine Nick? Yeah. Something about a fade with a tightrope. What was that? I
SPEAKER_03:don't know what that was. Yeah, give it a guy with a shave with a jump rope. Yeah, what was that? I don't know. The only thing I can think of is... Oh, yeah, that feels wrong. Yeah, I don't think that's right. But, man, like how cool though, right? Like shows the power of AI. So if you are interested in AI, you should get more into it and make some cool apps because you could become a quadrillionaire. Wow. Yeah, super rad. Okay, so obviously we started the second half of the super fun part here already. Yeah. And end. That was great, everybody. Wow, that was great. I have an unreasonable amount of questions that I could ask Tim, so I'm going to ask a few. Okay. Do you want to start? No,
SPEAKER_04:please do, man. I'm still...
SPEAKER_03:If you were not doing what you're doing today, what job would you be doing?
SPEAKER_01:Are
SPEAKER_03:you kidding me? You'd be working for NASA, dude.
SPEAKER_01:Clearly. I've got photos of me at space camp.
SPEAKER_03:That's rad. That's so cool,
SPEAKER_01:man. I did want to do all that stuff. Just never got there.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I feel close, though. I feel like I'm part of the industry.
SPEAKER_03:You're definitely part of the elite. That's awesome, man. That's good. You fixed the remote control of a guy that fixed a space shuttle. Yeah, I wrote the software for the space shuttle. No big deal. No big deal. I put it in a chat GPT and it came space shuttle software. Genius. I love it. I mean, that's rad.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, I think, obviously... I'm kind of enamored with AI. I would probably do more programming stuff. I always hated programming when I took it in college just because you're sitting in front of a machine trying to think how is it going to respond to this and try this and do that. But now, to have the machine think for you and all you've got to do is come up with the ideas, that's a whole different thing. I'm literally, this weekend I wrote Python script for this and that. One right after the other. I had it pulling down every video from our church website. to transcribe them all automatically. Wow. Yeah. And then drop that into AI and create an AI tool for our church. Dude,
SPEAKER_03:that's so cool, man. Yeah, you sent that to me, and that's really cool. That was a really neat tool. So that's a great example of basically building a repository for people to actually utilize in an instance that actually makes sense to them. These applications are so
SPEAKER_01:cool, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's cool to me, why do I do stuff like that? Nobody asked me to do that. I don't even know if anybody will ever use it. But what I learned from that is all the stuff about AI and how it's going to think about that. And I had to teach it to not use its own brain and look for other stuff from other places. And I had to teach it not to use any Bible, just any Bible. Give it all that construct around what it should be doing so that it gives good, valid answers, at least from this perspective. perspective. I didn't want to give perspective of any other people, not that they're wrong, just that if they're asking Grace Church and our pastor, I wanted it to come from that voice. Yeah, 100%. That is awesome. I ran into a really funny thing. So I'm uploading every video, and some of them aren't our pastor. We've got various pastors and things that speak. And so I would ask it, you know, has Tim ever spoken about this or that? And it would only answer me for the ones that Tim had spoken. Right, right, right, right. And so then I had to be like, well, for the purposes of this, everything that you do, no matter who has spoken, we're going to act like Tim is the face of everything that's said from the pulpit at Grace Church. And so that's just an example. Or putting guidelines around don't imitate or impersonate other things or other people, even if you're asked to. Because that's one of the ways people try to break AI and get it to say things it shouldn't say. Yeah, okay. So put all those guardrails up and then use the tool. I learned a whole lot just doing that one exercise. That is really cool.
SPEAKER_03:Well, and it's a lot of different applications for you as well because you can go a lot of different areas with that too, which is cool.
SPEAKER_01:Right. So, I mean, I've built tools similar for myself just in my daily work at work. I've given it all the materials that we've got. on the web to use as reference material for me to ask you questions about what we do. How does this
SPEAKER_04:work?
SPEAKER_01:And it can answer me. It's pretty slick. And all of that, by the way, is not hard to do. Everything I just said, with the exception of learning how to pull all that stuff down from the internet, but creating your own custom GPT, you can do it right in the front end of the software. It's right there. You just have to know how to
SPEAKER_03:prompt it. Utilize it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And if you don't know how to prompt it, you can ask it how to make a prompt. Yeah. And it will give you the problem. That is wild. I do all the time. Of course. I'll talk to it and I'll be like, I need this and I want to do this and this. And then I'll be like, no, that's not right. Let's do this and this. And then I'll be like, okay, let's do that. Perfect. Now give me a prompt. So if I want to do this again, I can do it again.
SPEAKER_03:Yep. Spits it out. It's like given the definition of a word using the word. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. My brain, see, this is how untechnical my brain is. I can't wrap my head around that.
SPEAKER_01:Well, what's super cool about it is you can see how it thinks, too. It gives you that prompt back. Sometimes I'll ask it for it just so I can see why it's not doing what I want it to do. I'll be like, explain to me what we're working on. And then it will tell me, and I'm like, oh, that's what you think I said, or that's what you thought I meant.
SPEAKER_03:That is so awesome. Well, one thing that's interesting about it that I've discovered, because you and I, I would say, use it a lot for our work applications as well, I've definitely discovered that it is an interesting thing to ask it that because it also identifies tones that maybe don't exist in your verbiage.
SPEAKER_04:I got you.
SPEAKER_03:So depending on how you write, if you write with a lot of commas or a lot of periods or accidental additional spaces, it takes it as a tone insertion into your prompt. So it's a little bit... I mean, it's intuitive, of course.
SPEAKER_01:You can ask it the same question. Yeah. almost with the same words, maybe switch a split infinitive or whatever. But if you ask it even a different way, it will respond differently because of how it thinks you're saying it. Which is funny. As humans, we do that all the time. We're on the phone. We can hear when something's not right or we know.
SPEAKER_03:We can see body language.
SPEAKER_01:But to have it do it with just words on a on a thing.
SPEAKER_03:That's pretty cool. It is pretty slick. It is. It's a huge bonus that we have now that is definitely a cool feature. Have you ever asked it,
SPEAKER_01:somebody sends you something at work or you're on instant messenger and you're like, I don't know what they're getting at or are they mad at me? How do I respond to this? And then just ask it. Psychoanalyze this and tell me what's going on. What does this person really want? And It's unbelievable how well it does. And it'll be like, well, it's hard to tell from this. But if you think about the use of this word and where they put that, they're probably kind of upset about this. And it will actually make that connection.
SPEAKER_03:It's also pretty cool, too, because as a music person, both of us are very music-oriented. And yeah, I know you are very much, too. I think that as... If you grab an entire song's lyrics and you drop it in and you say, what does this mean?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:It will write out a very cool... explanation to it. And it'll say, well, based on the way that this is said... And it's very unbiased. Yeah, it's unbiased. So it's like based on the way that this is said or based on the way that this is written, because it can actually pull out some language barriers too. Because some of the things like, for example, like if we were to say line versus like in Europe, they'd say queue. Yeah. It understands that.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Okay. But it doesn't know that if we were to just write that into a standard English sentence... But if you put it into something that's in context and like into a song, it's understanding the tone based on the song. So it's like, okay, all these things in line would have to mean this thing. So it's pretty, I mean, it's really, it's powerful. It's super cool. And it's super, it's super helpful. So like your point, I've done that before too.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Or if you didn't know how to respond to somebody like a girl. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Okay. So you're bringing up, you're bringing something up that I was going to bring up to men of America.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Just, Plug it in, bro. If you don't understand what she's saying, if you don't understand what she needs from you, just plug
SPEAKER_01:it in. You can take screenshots from your phone. Four screenshots for the last few messages and say, what's going on? Analyze this, man. Help me
SPEAKER_03:out. How do I get my sleep
SPEAKER_01:token? Learn me a lesson. Then you can say, yeah, I need to cash in my sleep token, so give me the song that's going to make it happen. Cha-ching.
SPEAKER_03:Next question. That's so cool. Has anybody... you know of or that you've heard of put the Book of Revelations in? Oh, yeah. I'm sure they have. Yeah. I mean, to me, that... Oh, yeah. I don't know, but I'm sure they have. I'd almost be too scared to. Right. Yeah, but, like, I mean, what is putting it in there? Not scared. Well, the way it would analyze it. There you go. Not necessarily scared for me, but... The way it would analyze would be pretty cool. Yeah. More cool than scared. I think scared was the wrong word. I think we're already in enough of a phase of unnecessary fear. I'm going to go with...
SPEAKER_01:Well, what I... Yeah. True. Yeah. We'll scratch that
SPEAKER_03:one out.
SPEAKER_01:We're not going to do it on the show. My concern about doing that would be just that, you know, it knows... everything that's been written that's digital, basically. That's how it deciphers. So you never know what kind of response you're going to get back when you have something that broad and how balanced it is. But it's
SPEAKER_03:also based on the repository of what's been placed into its database, too. So realistically, it's just a brain. It's just like us. I could not just say, oh, here's what I think about the book of Revelation because I don't know every word in it. So if it were to just say, this is what I know, if somebody hasn't intentionally put that in there, then it potentially would not know that. Now we're talking semantics limitations. That's a whole
SPEAKER_01:different thing. When it comes to stuff like that, it has a bunch of knowledge of a bunch of religions and other things. You never know what you're going to get back for something if you go super broad like that. You might ask it more craft information. I'm going to a Christian church and I want to know more information about the King James Bible. X, Y, and Z. Acting as a supportive pastor, counsel me on X, Y, and Z. But you'd want to give it the background and not just say broadly.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, right, right. I got
SPEAKER_01:you. That would be my
SPEAKER_03:advice. Totally.
SPEAKER_01:I like it. Okay. What you got, Nick? You got anything?
SPEAKER_03:You got anything? Not like that, man. How am I supposed to follow this up? I have tons of questions. Because here I am with my toddler questions. I love it. Fire away with a toddler question. If you were a vehicle, what would you be? Red car. Red car. What a beauty. Red car. Okay. What make? Oh, yeah. It's tough, isn't
SPEAKER_01:it? Well, what I want to look like and what I feel like I look like. It's like the soul. What's that car? The red soul. Oh, yeah. Boxing car. The one with
SPEAKER_03:the hamsters in it. That's what
SPEAKER_01:I probably feel like I'd... What I want to look like is a Porsche or a fast car. You can be
SPEAKER_03:whatever you want
SPEAKER_01:to be, man. I want to be a fast car. We are
SPEAKER_03:all for the fast cars. I love the fast cars. Heck yeah. I'm all for the fast cars. If you had to pick a car that's your favorite car, let's just say dream car, what would it be?
SPEAKER_04:What would it be?
SPEAKER_01:I'd probably go... Well... See, now if I'm driving the car, it's a different thing. I'd like to have like a super nice luxury like Maybach. Yeah. Also, I don't really want to drive it. I want to drive her if we're doing all this. That's the way.
SPEAKER_04:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:That's the way it should be.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Maybach with the umbrella in the door. Yep. Have you seen those? So
SPEAKER_03:I like the cars, I think, are key to a personality. I'm a big car guy. So you want all the horsepower. It's there if you want it, right? Yeah. But you want to be comfortable. Comfortable. You want your umbrella. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yeah. I'm down with it. I can dig that. Yeah. I like it. I'm all for it. I'm game. Definitely see a convertible in your life.
SPEAKER_01:I have a Jeep in the garage. Yeah. There you go. See, that counts. That's as close as I get to a convertible. Yeah, but do you hang your leg out the
SPEAKER_03:window like all Jeep drivers? Do you have your ducks?
SPEAKER_01:I don't have ducks. So you don't drive a Jeep. My wife wouldn't let me get a motorcycle, so I got a Jeep instead. I agree with the motorcycle thing. I had
SPEAKER_03:to sell my motorcycle. I agree with the motorcycle
SPEAKER_01:thing. She said, you're a dad, and you're going to need a Jeep instead of a motorcycle. And I was like, oh,
SPEAKER_03:come on. Roll over or get rolled over. You know what I got? Golf cart.
SPEAKER_01:Oh,
SPEAKER_03:that's a great idea. No. No, it's fantastic.
SPEAKER_00:I
SPEAKER_03:want a Sunday. So in Michigan, we call them Sunday cruisers. Sure. That's what I want. Yeah, but a golf cart is rad, too. They're cool. They're cool. Here's my thing. It's got a nice little lift kit. There's more of an opportunity for you to ride with your boys on that than in a motorcycle. Oh, no. 100%. But I'd rather have that car. See, he picks a motorcycle. Did you hear him? I agree. I know. They're super rad all the way up until they're not. Until they're not, yeah. Can I just tell you guys this? Yeah. They're... So dangerous. Yeah. In the
SPEAKER_01:past. No, I don't. Yeah. Yeah. Just you guys have watched the news the past two days. Oh, yeah. There's one guy took a turn and off the interstate and went off the interstate. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And there was one in Olathe just today.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, dude. It's scary. Jeez, man. Yeah. I was going to tell you a story, but I'll save it for offline because it's scary. Okay. Yeah. But that's my that was my turn of events for me because my dad was into motorcycles, too. And I was like, you can get a motorcycle. Just know that I'm going to sell it. I'm going to steal a pink slip. I'm going to sell it and I'm going to keep the money. That's what I told him. I tell him that to this day because I do not like him. That's not to say that people aren't safe. I think that it's about the other drivers around. It's the others. It's the same as situations now, even if you're in a car. Back in my heyday of riding, we didn't have texting and driving. We didn't have to worry about any of that. I totally understand all that. I would say there's a fair majority of motorcyclists that are pretty safe. And
SPEAKER_01:then, of course, there's knuckleheads. The vast majority of motorcycle riders know the risk there. They're super safe. Of
SPEAKER_03:course.
SPEAKER_01:But it's the ones that are not that make a bad, just like everything. Just like everything.
SPEAKER_03:It's the old Marine Corps rule of the 10%. The 10% ruin it for everybody. True.
SPEAKER_01:Marine Nick.
SPEAKER_03:Marine Nick. Exactly. Marine Nick. And non-Marine Nick. Land Nick.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Dude, that's your shirt right there. That's your
SPEAKER_04:shirt.
SPEAKER_03:Classic. I think that needs a
SPEAKER_01:song. You know what? We'll just take the transcript and drop it in and see what it comes out with. I expect that by the end of the night. Okay,
SPEAKER_03:so if there was a movie written about your life, what would it be called and who would play you as the main character?
SPEAKER_01:Main character? I don't know. Easily Chris Farley. Yes. I don't know what it would be like. I feel like Tommy Boy every day of my life, so that probably would be the style and shape of the movie with a little bit of a... I already
SPEAKER_04:love it.
SPEAKER_01:I'm down with that. I'd
SPEAKER_03:get down with that for
SPEAKER_01:sure. A little bit of Billy Madison maybe and Ferris Bueller's Day Off.
SPEAKER_03:Ooh, Ferris Bueller.
SPEAKER_01:Yes. So if you,
SPEAKER_03:I mean, if you had to just pick a
SPEAKER_01:title, what do you
SPEAKER_03:think?
SPEAKER_01:Nick's got the mic? No.
SPEAKER_03:Nick's got the mic. Heads up written in style.
SPEAKER_01:If I had to pick a title.
SPEAKER_03:I miss my calling. Oh. Tokens for sleep. That's a good one. I like that a lot. Cash in. Cash in. Big buddy. Nick, I love you, buddy. I'm just, I'm just getting grief. Yeah, you know what? I'm going to go home and cry
SPEAKER_01:now. I
SPEAKER_03:know.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know. I don't know how I'd name that. That's too difficult. I think... It's
SPEAKER_03:hard.
SPEAKER_01:It's not an easy one, that's for sure. No, no. I'm mostly a marketing guy, so you'd think I'd come up with something, but that takes hours to think through and a lot of TPT for me to actually come up with a good idea.
SPEAKER_03:You know, that's fair. I respect it, man.
UNKNOWN:I respect it.
SPEAKER_03:But, you know, I expect that. I like the genre, though. I like where we're going with that. All right. What's your go-to dad joke?
SPEAKER_01:Go-to dad joke. Oh, so a rope walks into the bar. This is a really dad joke, but I still like it. Rope walks into a bar. Bartender says, hey, you're not allowed in here. Why? You're not allowed in here. You got to go. So he leaves. Comes back. Bartender says, you got to go. Leaves, comes back. Bartender says, dude, you got to get out of here. Fourth day, he comes back. He's tied himself in a knot and frazzled his hair up. Bartender says, hey, aren't you the same rope that was in here yesterday and the day before and the day before that? He says, no, I'm afraid not.
SPEAKER_03:That's so bad. That is so bad. I love it, though. That is one of my favorite jokes. Oh, my gosh. Dude, I had no idea where that was going the whole time. I just felt like we weren't ever going to get there. And then, of course, now, fourth day, we made it. That's awesome.
SPEAKER_01:It could have been two days, but why? I mean,
SPEAKER_03:it's better if it's four. That is awesome.
SPEAKER_01:Have you ever heard that? Oh, what's his name? It starts with an N. Norm. Norm MacDonald. Oh, yeah. He told a joke on Letterman one time. He would get to what you thought was going to be the punchline, and he would just keep going. And he did it for like five, six minutes on live TV. And it was the funniest thing because everybody just expected it. You never got there. You never got there. That was the end of it.
SPEAKER_04:That's so
SPEAKER_03:great. Oh, I love it, dude. Okay, what you got, Nick? What you got? Lightning round continues. We're not very lightning. No, we got some mild ones in there. Go ahead. Okay. If your life had a theme song every time you walked into a room, what would it be?
SPEAKER_01:Oh. You're going to have to prep me with these questions.
SPEAKER_03:It's impossible
SPEAKER_01:to do. Yeah. Like a real song or are we making one up? I mean,
SPEAKER_03:you can make one up if you want. It can be my song if you really want it to be.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I mean, I was thinking like, why doesn't he have any pants on was the name of the song. That's fair.
SPEAKER_03:What would your dance move be? The lawnmower.
SPEAKER_01:The rump shaker.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Baby, get down. Good Lord.
SPEAKER_01:Baby got
SPEAKER_03:it working on him.
SPEAKER_01:I'm
SPEAKER_03:sorry. Hang around. I love it. Okay, okay. What would be your superhero name? Oh. Ooh.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I mean, I think I know what the superpower would be, right? Sure. Some kind of technology kind of power thing.
SPEAKER_03:So like a Megamind or what?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, like Octo. Octo Megamind slash...
SPEAKER_03:Like Agent Cody Banks?
SPEAKER_01:There you go. Like Frankie Muniz? There you go. With a little... Yeah,
SPEAKER_03:yeah. I like that. What is it? The famous Jet Jackson? That's a classic. Yeah. Oh, that's awesome. Blank Man. Blank Man. There we go. Look in the sky. It's a bird. It's Blank Man.
SPEAKER_01:Oh my gosh. I haven't thought of that movie in a long time.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:I love it. You've seen that movie?
SPEAKER_03:Blank
SPEAKER_01:Man. Not for a
SPEAKER_03:long time. It's been a long
SPEAKER_01:time. I might have seen it when it was on HBO. That tells you how long
SPEAKER_03:ago. The one before that though, Chevy Chase, The Invisible Man. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, I think you got something. Yeah, I do have something. When flying, are you window or aisle seat?
SPEAKER_01:Oh, that's a great question. I like the aisle seat myself, but that's because I'm a big guy. I've got big shoulders. Yeah, shouldy bones make a difference. But, I mean... If I'm on the window, I'm staring out the window the whole time. I just love watching the sky. I would be a pilot. That's another one of those things I would love to have done.
SPEAKER_03:100%.
SPEAKER_01:We've talked about drones. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I would take either, but definitely probably Isle for that solar space. Yeah. You got another? I like it. Yeah, I
SPEAKER_03:do.
SPEAKER_01:Go for
SPEAKER_03:it. If you were a Disney character. Oh, hell yeah. who would you be?
SPEAKER_01:Clearly Lilo from Lilo and Stitch. I kind of am a Disney character. You are. I want to be the genie guy.
SPEAKER_04:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:Which one? The blue one. What did you say? Tarzan. Oh, Tarzan. I like that vibe. Plus he's got the girl.
SPEAKER_03:Love it. That's the one. I like the genie though. The genie's rad. The genie's cool. Yeah, that's a pretty rad one. Would you have a magic carpet if you were able to? Of course. I mean, yeah. Heck yeah. And
SPEAKER_01:wishes. I mean, wishes galore. Heck yeah. That's true. You couldn't use your own wishes. What would be your answer to that question? Why don't they ever ask for more wishes? What would be my answer to that question? Yeah, what's your answer to that question? If I was a Disney character, who would I be? Which princess would you be? Elsa. He seems like a bell to me.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Maybe. Be our guest.
SPEAKER_03:I would definitely be like Rapunzel. Magical hair or something. There
SPEAKER_04:you go.
SPEAKER_03:People would be like, oh, look, nobody's seen them in 19 years. Thank God. He's
SPEAKER_01:been up there growing hair.
SPEAKER_03:Nothing else. No brain cells. With
SPEAKER_01:the jump rope.
SPEAKER_03:Wreck-It Ralph. Oh, man. Wreck-It Ralph was sweet. Wreck-It Ralph is rad. Yeah. Yeah, 100%. Fix-It Felix Jr. I like that, too. Cable Guy. Cable Guy, yeah. I'd have to be any Disney character. Man, I'd have to be... See, if you want to get really technical, I would probably be Thor. Because the Avengers are Disney. Yeah, they're Disney now. But I don't want to get that nitpicky. I'd be Han Solo. If I'm taking it back, Disney, old school Disney, I really like Captain Hook. Oh, yeah. You like being the villain? Yeah. My dad and I talk about that a lot. We're big on the Wild West. I respect the move. And we'll ask each other those questions like, hey, Wild West, you're a time traveler. You can go back. Are you the law or are you the stagecoach robber? Oh, yeah. Or are you the rattlesnake that sits in the bushes and takes them all out?
SPEAKER_04:Or that.
SPEAKER_03:Bam! Open the box wider, sir. Or are you Listeria? What is that, Oregon Trail?
SPEAKER_01:1984 reference. You're welcome. Your daughter
SPEAKER_03:died of diphtheria. Spacebar, spacebar. Nobody made it through that game. Nobody made it. That's awesome. I love it. If aliens visited Earth and you were the first person they contacted, how would you explain our existence?
SPEAKER_01:I
SPEAKER_03:think I would play music for
SPEAKER_01:them.
SPEAKER_03:Okay. Like real music or like AI music? No,
SPEAKER_01:no.
SPEAKER_03:This is what happens when you do stuff
SPEAKER_01:with computers. I think they could learn everything they need to know from Prince.
SPEAKER_00:He was one of us. This is what it sounds like. Purple rain.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Yeah. I love it, dude. I love it. Okay. Okay. And then I have two very easy, quick ones for you. And I think that's all I have time for tonight. Okay. Do you have any others?
SPEAKER_04:No, I'm good.
SPEAKER_03:Would you rather fight one horse-sized duck or 100 duck-sized horses?
SPEAKER_01:I think I'd go for the 100 duck-sized horses. Yeah, I agree. I can at least get one
SPEAKER_03:lick in there a couple times, you know?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean, first of all, you know how big a horse is. A horse is huge. He's like all over it. I can't imagine trying to fight a horse. Like, that is a massive thing. Anything that's
SPEAKER_03:that big feels like it's too big.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you got two feet. You can take out some horse ducks.
UNKNOWN:It's true.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Horse ducks. Is that horses? Horse ducks?
SPEAKER_00:We'll call them hucks.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Hucks. Yeah. Dorses. It doesn't go the other way. Nope. Nope. All right. I love it. Okay. I'm also on the duck-sized horses. Yeah. Yeah. That train is for me. Okay. So this one is very technical. Something that you're going to have to think about for a second. Okay. It's going to be tough. Are you ready? What's your favorite mythological creature and what sound does it make? Oh, I knew that was
SPEAKER_01:coming.
SPEAKER_03:He has no idea. He didn't know this was coming. He didn't even know this question existed.
SPEAKER_01:I had heard it before, and the truth is I don't know any mythological creatures. Nothing at all? Well, then
SPEAKER_03:make something up mythologically. Yeah, we've had this happen where somebody just made something up. What would it be? You look like a unicorn.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I mean, never once have I been a unicorn. Thanks for asking. You can. I'm not here to judge that. Yeah, I don't. Mythological creature. I don't know. What's yours?
SPEAKER_03:Oh, centaur, easily. Because then I could just speak. What's
SPEAKER_01:the one from Napoleon Dynamite?
SPEAKER_03:Pedro? Pedro? Liger.
SPEAKER_01:Liger. Yeah. Dude, that's awesome. I think that's it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Yeah. And I love that you pulled from that movie. Yeah, I'm. Liger. I think a Liger actually. I like that. Doesn't it actually exist? I don't know. They're like a crossbreed now? Probably. Madden. Madden. Do you have a device over there? No, it's over here. Oh, it's over here now. Maybe next time. Yeah, we'll have to look it up next time. Anyway, dude. Nice. That was fun. That was a lot of fun, man. Loved having you on. Thanks for. Taking us through the journey. That was fun. Yeah. Oh, you know what? I do have one more question that I forgot to ask you because this one's really good. And it'll be good to end on. If you had a warning label that you had to wear around all the time, what
SPEAKER_01:would it say? Slippery when wet's probably not a good one. If that's what it has to be. I'm not here to judge that. Yeah. Hot when touched? I don't know. Warning label. Yeah. Heavy.
SPEAKER_03:What? You're welcome. What are you saying? You're welcome, America. Like team lift or something? Heavy.
SPEAKER_01:That would be the warning label. Heavy.
SPEAKER_03:It's up to your interpretation as to what that means now. Two people lift. Don't lift with your back. Team lift. Oh, my gosh. Okay. Well, I love it. I love it. Dude, it's been fun. It's been real. Yeah, it was great meeting you, man. This is a lot of fun. Yeah, super, super rad. We've been wanting to do it for a while, so we're glad we got to make it happen. That's awesome. I'm going to be texting you a lot, too, because I want to pick your brain on this whole AI thing. He's going to be making music left and right. Dude, I totally am. But I also really want to learn from somebody who uses it, too. And I know you use it, too, Nick. But I think that'd be... There are some applications that I think would pertain to me. with my line of work that would streamline some things. We'll pick some brains. Funny enough for you, the booking and answering of phones. I love this. I love this, man. This has been a lot of fun. Super fun. Super cool topics, man. We're going to have to drop the transcript into a song and pull that out. Yeah. Yeah, I'll get you the transcript. It's coming to you next. Sweet. Heck yes. We'll have something coming soon. You're going to hear it, America. That's right. No matter what happens, you're going to hear it. Hear first. You heard it first. Right here. Right here. Anyways, everybody, that closes the door on another episode of Unspoken with Nick and Nick and our good friend Tim. Tim, love you. You're an awesome dude. Psyched to have you on the show. Tim, it was a lot of fun. Good friend. So I'm excited that you got to come and chat with us for a little while. It was funny because you said you didn't have a good story and I loved everything about it. I know. It was great, man. Yeah. Super rad. Super rad. So if you're looking for us anywhere out in the world, definitely check us out wherever you get your podcasts and on Instagram currently at... The underscore unspoken underscore bot. Oh, sure. Yeah, we do need to be on TikTok. Tim said he's going to manage our TikTok, so even better win for us. He's going to get us all going. It's not hard. Yeah, Tim's going to manage for us. He's got to take care of it. Sweet. He's got it figured out. He's got it all figured out. Definitely let us know what you're thinking of the episodes. Comment on Spotify. Comment on... Send us something. Yeah. Heck yeah. Shoot us a message on Instagram. Let us know what you want to hear, what you want to see. If there's somebody you want us to try and reach out to to bring on the show and hear their story. Hell yes. Fire round questions. That's right. Everything that you can think of, shoot it over to us because we want to hear from you. That's the whole point of this being in existence is real people doing real things for others. And that's super, super important to us. So if we can make that happen and shed a light on what real people are doing every day, then that's the most important thing. So hopefully we can continue doing this for a long time. And with everybody's help and support, we definitely can. So feel free to take a listen. Send it to your friends. Share it out. Let's get this thing out there a little bit and give it some ratings, man. Check it out for us. Let's get us some cool stuff going so we can get to more people. So thank you again for everybody. We really appreciate you listening. And until next time, I am Nick. I am Nick. I'm Tim. Nick and Tim. And this was Unspoken with Nick and Tim. All right. Love it. Until next time. Thank you. See you later.